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Whats up, and welcome to The Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And this was a enjoyable interview for me personally. It’s a little bit little bit of a deviation from the give attention to bodily well being, however we go quite a bit into mindset. And I’m right here with Mike Massimino, who served as a NASA astronaut from 1996 to 2014 and flew in area twice, on the area shuttle Columbia in 2002 and on the area shuttle Atlantis in 2009, that are the ultimate two Hubble House Telescope servicing missions. He grew to become the primary human to tweet from area, was the final human to work within Hubble, and he set a group file together with his crewmates for essentially the most cumulative spacewalking time in a single area shuttle mission. He’s now the creator of a brand new ebook referred to as Moonshots, which we speak about a little bit bit in these interviews with him. However I like the mindset and getting to listen to his perspective on what shifted for him after viewing our world from a completely completely different perspective in addition to the issues that his dad and mom did and that he did together with his personal youngsters to encourage Moonshots. It was a really, very enjoyable dialog. So, let’s be part of Mike Massimino. Mike, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Mike: Katie, it’s my pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Katie: Properly, like I mentioned earlier than we jumped into recording, this can be a enjoyable one for me, not solely as a result of my youngsters suppose you’re tremendous cool, but additionally as a result of my dad used to work for NASA. So, I’ve a private connection there as effectively. However for individuals listening, I suppose some individuals might not know that you simply despatched the primary tweet from area, if I bear in mind appropriately. Are you able to share what that was like, and was that pre-planned, or did that simply occur?
Mike: No. Yeah. I despatched the primary tweet from area. Take that, Neil Armstrong. And thanks for having me, Katie. It’s actually a pleasure for me to get an opportunity to talk with you. And all of the mothers listening on the market and everybody else. And thank your youngsters, too. Inform them I mentioned hello. And that’s very good. And your dad. Thank your dad. Is your dad nonetheless round?
Katie: He’s nonetheless round, retired now. Really helps educate my youngsters physics. So, it’s enjoyable.
Mike: Oh, man. That’s a great. Anyway, please thank him for what he did for NASA and assist. We went to area on the shoulders of individuals like your dad. So please want him my greatest.
Katie: I’ll. Thanks.
Mike: So, the primary tweet from area, did I give it some thought pre-planned? No, I knew I used to be going to do it. However what I relied on was some recommendation I obtained from my hero, Neil Armstrong. So, I used to be six years outdated after they landed on the moon, and Neil Armstrong was my hero. I wished to develop up, not simply to be an astronaut, however I wished to develop as much as be Neil Armstrong. I assumed he was the best man ever. And I by no means had an opportunity to satisfy him, till I grew to become an astronaut. And he got here, he was in Houston my very first week and got here to talk to our astronaut class. And it was superb.
And the day after he spoke to us, I didn’t get the prospect to ask him any questions, once we went to the Q and A interval after he spoke to us, however I didn’t get my query answered, however I noticed him the subsequent day on the meals line within the cafeteria. And so, I’ve obtained to say one thing to this man. So, I went as much as him and launched myself, and I requested him a query about what he mentioned on the moon, Katie. You’re approach too younger to recollect this. However when he landed on the moon, he famously mentioned, “One small step for man, one big leap for mankind.” And I bear in mind I used to be glued to the TV set as a six-year-old, and I heard that, and I used to be like, I can’t consider he mentioned that. So, I questioned, how did he provide you with this factor? And I requested him once I met him, I mentioned, “I obtained one thing to ask you, Neil. How did you provide you with that factor you mentioned on the moon? You understand, did your spouse let you know to say that? Did you rent a publicist? How did you provide you with that?” And he appears at me, places down his meals tray, and he appears at me and he goes, “Mike, I didn’t take into consideration what I used to be going to say on the moon till after I landed on the moon.” And I used to be like, “Actually?” After which he went additional, and he mentioned, “Mike, if I didn’t land on the moon, there’d be no purpose to say something.” And I used to be like, “Okay, I suppose that is smart.” After which he obtained actually severe with me, Katie. You understand, he’s like he noticed this as a instructing second. He mentioned, “Mike, you’re new to this, however that is an unforgiving enterprise. That is severe enterprise. You need to take your job critically. In case you get distracted with all the general public relations and all of the outreach and all of the press and all that, it’s going to it may distract you. You possibly can lose focus and dangerous issues occur. Follow your job first. Fear about all that different stuff later.” And he’s like, “You bought it?” I used to be, like Neil Armstrong, biggest hero ever, I obtained it.
Years later, I get requested by NASA to ship this primary tweet from area. In our last press convention, I get requested this query, “Mike, what are you going to, have you considered what you’re going to tweet?” Simply what you requested me, proper? Did you consider what? And I channeled Neil Armstrong, Katie. I used to be channeling this, my hero. And I checked out these people in that press group, and I mentioned, “I’m not enthusiastic about what I’m going to tweet in area. We’ve obtained to get to area first. That’s what I’m nervous about. If we don’t get to area safely, there’s going to be no purpose to tweet something. I’ll fear about that once we get there.” So, we launch, we get to area, I arrange the pc. My crewmate and good friend, Megan McArthur, is there with a digital camera to file this historic second within the area program. And I’m taking a look at that pc display, and I notice the recommendation I obtained from my hero was the worst recommendation I ever obtained in my life. I couldn’t consider a factor to put in writing. After which I began pondering, he will need to have lied to me. There’s no approach that this man was on the moon with the entire world listening, and he comes up with one thing so poetic. And I can’t, I’m simply floating above the planet, not very many individuals know I’m there. You understand, the individuals within the management heart do and household and associates and stuff. But it surely’s not like the entire world’s listening. And I can’t consider a factor.
Katie, you recognize what I wished to tweet? I wished to tweet. “Curse you, Neil Armstrong.” That’s what I wished to do. However I couldn’t do it, so I wrote, “The journey…” What did I write? I wrote, “Launch was superior. I’m feeling nice, having fun with the good views. The journey of a lifetime has begun.” And I despatched that tweet right down to Earth. After which we have been doing spacewalks and stuff and taking note of what, I actually wasn’t taking note of what was occurring Earth. I used to be concentrating on the mission, in fact. So, the Monday, I despatched that tweet on a Monday.
One week later, I get e mail from my youngsters. And I used to be very excited. You understand, all of the spacewalks are over. And it’ll go over, and it has e mail from the youngsters that Monday afternoon. You understand, they’d gotten again from college and ship me a observe. It’s like, what’s occurring down there? They usually inform me, “Dad, they made enjoyable of you on Saturday Evening Reside.” What had occurred was that on that Saturday, I obtained made enjoyable of by Seth Meyers on Saturday Evening Reside throughout the Weekend Replace version. What he says is, he goes a little bit bit right here, that I didn’t know this was occurring, however I’ve seen it afterwards, in fact. He says, “We now have the primary tweet from area. And right here it’s. Launch was superior.” So, after which he lets that sink in. Then he goes, “In 40 years, we’ve gone from one big leap for mankind to launch was superior.” After which Seth Meyers pauses, and he continues and says, “If we ever discover life within the universe, I assume that is how we’ll be notified.” And it has my little Twitter factor, and it says, “Geez, dudes, aliens.” So, you recognize, making enjoyable of me and what I tweeted. I didn’t give it some thought. I simply put by that on the market. Anyway, so I didn’t know this was occurring. We’re busy spacewalking. However I get this e mail from the youngsters on Monday, and I look over to this, and it says, “Dad, they made enjoyable of you on Saturday Evening Reside. All the youngsters in school liked it. Maintain saying silly stuff.” In order that’s that was I lastly obtained some road cred with my youngsters and with the youngsters in the highschool and center college on the time. So, however that’s the story behind that. That’s the lengthy story of the primary tweet from area.
Katie: That’s so enjoyable. And if I’m remembering appropriately, you even have made cameos as your self on The Large Bang Principle, which I’m guessing your youngsters additionally thought was fairly cool.
Mike: Ah! Yeah, I suppose so. You understand what I imply? I feel they have been we honestly, they weren’t huge followers of the present. I feel in the event that they have been into the present, perhaps they’d have been extra enthusiastic about it. However yeah, I feel they thought it was okay. I feel what it was concerning the Saturday Evening Reside factor is that the youngsters in school thought it was cool. And I obtained that observe in area. I didn’t get that. I don’t bear in mind getting such a report about The Large Bang Principle from them, however I assumed it was cool. And a number of different individuals did. And, you recognize, you’ve talked about it, so perhaps you thought it was cool.
And other people know me extra for that than area journey. Even individuals at NASA. I used to be requested a couple of years in the past to talk at an occasion on the Marshall House Flight Heart, a NASA heart in Huntsville, Alabama. And what they advised me is that they have been seeking to attempt to get a solid member from The Large Bang Principle, however they couldn’t get a solid member to indicate as much as this occasion. And would I have the ability to come? And I’m like, yeah, positive. After which like every week later, I get a observe. They go, “Oh, we perceive you you’ve serviced the Hubble House Telescope. We’re going to have individuals within the viewers who labored on Hubble.” I’m like, wait a minute. You didn’t know that I, you requested me since you have been searching for a Large Bang Principle man. And also you weren’t even positive what I did. Perhaps they knew I used to be an, I don’t know, however they knew extra about that than the astronaut stuff. However I feel that that’s okay as a result of it was actually a enjoyable present to take part in. And it was, I feel, a great factor for NASA. I did that whereas I used to be working for NASA. So, it ended up being a part of my job.
And I did it additionally after I left NASA a couple of occasions. I used to be on seven episodes complete. However that was actually a enjoyable alternative and a view right into a world that I knew nothing about, how do you make a TV present and the artistic and enjoyable individuals. However that was actually an awesome present. I don’t suppose all reveals are that a lot enjoyable to do. It was simply that everybody was pleased and simply very nice individuals. Chuck Lorre, Invoice Prady, the creators of the present and all of the actors and the writers and everybody concerned. I nonetheless have gotten these friendships from the oldsters working in wardrobe and the digital camera individuals, it’s superb. What an awesome household of folks that included me as one among them.
Katie: Oh, I like that. And on a little bit bit extra, a deeper observe, I suppose, you’re one among a really, very small proportion of people that have seen firsthand a a lot completely different perspective of the world we stay in than those that are on earth. And I can solely think about that that was most likely a fairly profound expertise. I’d love to listen to any inside shifts you had or moments of profound realization from seeing our world from such a special perspective.
Mike: Yeah, and I feel you’ve, thanks, Katie, and I feel you’ve framed that query rather well. The best way I like is perspective as a result of we stay on the identical planet. It’s the identical, taking a look at earth, you recognize, I’ve lived my entire life on earth, similar to everybody else right here has, proper? However what you see from area is a special perspective on issues. And there have been two issues that actually modified that, that modified my every day pondering habits, the way in which I see our house and our house that means the planet. And the primary is simply the sheer great thing about it, that seeing it, it was throughout my second spacewalk, seeing it from the altitude, we have been a bit larger than different shuttle flights. We have been up at the place the telescope was at 350 miles, you’ll be able to see the curve of the planet. And through a spacewalk, particularly, you will get this magnificent view contained in the spacecraft, it’s fairly cool. After all, you’re trying by a window, however now while you get outdoors… No, it’s such as you’re within the classroom as a little bit child, and also you’re searching the window, and also you get to go to the playground and the entire sky opens up, that’s form of what it’s. Being on the market and doing a spacewalk, hastily, the entire universe opens up, and you’ll see the celebs and the moon. The solar is in a black sky. Once I checked out it, I used to be like, “Whoa, that’s fairly cool.” Like a giant star in a black sky. First time I noticed that. After which the earth is so magnificently lovely.
And it was on my second spacewalk was I felt extra snug to look and do some sightseeing and attempt to get an impression of what was occurring round me different than simply the work I used to be doing. And the thought that went by my thoughts is that this have to be a view from heaven. And that is the view from heaven. That is how lovely it’s. After which I dwelled on that for like a second. And I used to be like, “Nah, that’s not proper. That is what heaven should appear to be.” I felt like I used to be trying into absolute paradise. And that’s what I consider our planet.
And I used to be talking to Jim Lovell, who’s the Apollo 13 commander portrayed by Tom Hanks within the Apollo 13 film. Just a few years in the past, he was in New York, and I obtained to spend the day with him. And I used to be speaking to him about this, and he mentioned, he mentioned, “Mike, you recognize, lots of people hope or consider that at some point they’ll go and go to heaven as a result of I’m satisfied, we have been all born there.” That form of is smart. That’s form of the way in which I really feel about it. I do know that I don’t know if that’s how correct that actually is, you recognize, the place individuals have completely different beliefs and suppose various things. However I do suppose that the place we stay is a paradise, and it’s very fragile, and we now have to care for it. I may look within the different route and see the, look out the celebs and stuff. That’s form of cool out within the different route, taking a look at this, no matter’s on the market within the photo voltaic system. However we’ve checked out the neighborhood, Katie. We are able to’t go wherever. That is the one possibility we now have.
And you’ll see, when you look some images, even from area, you see that skinny line above the planet, a skinny blue line. That’s our ambiance. In case you have a look at a kind of images, that’s our ambiance. That’s the one factor that’s maintaining us alive. And the scale relationship of that, when you consider an onion, the earth is an onion, that high skinny layer of the onion is the scale relationship between our ambiance and our planet. So, you’ll be able to see the fragility of it from that perspective as effectively. So, it’s an exquisite paradise.
I feel we now have so many alternatives for happiness and to take pleasure in it. I feel we have to take the time to go searching and be amazed. I obtained that completely different perspective in area, however I carry it with me on Earth. I used to be very, very pleased I had that perspective, however we are able to nonetheless be amazed down right here, wherever you might be. The place you’re residing, when you’re close to the ocean, you’ll be able to perhaps have a look at that or have a look at the sky or the clouds or the bushes. Or when you’re in a metropolis, the structure, I stay in New York Metropolis, even the faces of the individuals on the New York Metropolis subway are superb. The cadence, the stream of individuals, the structure, what we now have in museums and parks, that is unbelievable the place we’re residing. It’s an incredible place. And we must always attempt to respect each second we now have on this planet. In order that was one factor.
Do I’ve time to let you know a second one? The second that obtained me. So, the second that hit me look going across the planet again and again was my idea in my, in my coronary heart and the way my coronary heart and soul and thoughts and the way I take into consideration house. And I feel I’ve at all times recognized a spot as house. Like once I was a little bit child, I grew up in Franklin Sq., on Lengthy Island, a neighborhood simply outdoors of the New York Metropolis border in, in Lengthy Island. And, um, that was my house, proper? We by no means, you recognize, we’d go go to relations in Brooklyn or the Bronx or perhaps New Jersey every now and then, however primarily we, we hung round that house, that place. You understand, I’ve frolicked in the home or within the neighborhood and play with my associates or going to the park. My colleges have been there in Franklin Sq., my favourite pizza place that I’d go to rising up. All the things was there. Franklin Sq. is my house.
And once I went off to varsity, I at all times thought, Oh, that’s my house, Franklin Sq.. As I obtained older. And as I began touring round and dealing after faculty and so forth in graduate college, different locations, I’d determine myself as a New Yorker extra like, the place are you from? I’m from New York. That’s my space, New York, New York, the New York Metropolis space is my space. As an astronaut, you recognize, now I used to be in Texas residing there and dealing for the federal government, going to work once I was flying in my jets or no matter we have been doing, a number of occasions I had the American flag on my arm. I journey around the globe, and I used to be an American. Once I considered house, it’s the USA was my house.
However after going to area, it hit me on my second flight, towards the tip of my second flight, trying on the planet, taking a look at it, I spotted that all the pieces I’ve ever identified, everyone I’ve ever identified, everybody that’s alive now, that’s lived earlier than, that can stay sooner or later, is from the identical place that I’m from. And that’s the earth. That’s our house. And that’s, that’s, so far as we all know, that’s the one place that persons are. Perhaps there’s life some other place, however proper now, all the pieces’s proper right here so far as we all know. And that’s my house. That’s the place I’m from. Going round that planet again and again, going across the planet that many occasions, it made me really feel that approach. And it, so what I consider is that we’re all from the identical place, irrespective of the place we’re from all through the US or all through the world, irrespective of who you might be, it doesn’t matter what you do, the place you’re from, all of us share the identical house. We’re all residents of planet Earth. And once I consider house, now I consider planet Earth, a house that each one of us share.
Katie: That’s lovely. And I’ve solely had, clearly, from the earth expertise, however I’m very grateful to stay in a spot with very low gentle at night time due to the turtles within the ocean and unimaginable stars. And I do know many occasions I’ve been overwhelmed virtually to the purpose of tears at simply the fantastic thing about the night time sky. And I feel there’s one thing lovely about discovering that overwhelming magnificence in all of the elements of the planet that we inhabit. And so, I like how that actually appeared to brighten that perspective for you as effectively. Additionally, from the well being world, I can’t assist however ask, how did your physique reply to being in area? As a result of I do know rising up, my dad would speak about, particularly people who find themselves there for a very long time, the muscle modifications. And I do know that NASA does quite a bit to mitigate that, however have been there any bodily issues that modified in area or that you simply needed to overcome while you obtained again?
Mike: That’s an awesome query. For me, there are modifications, however most of these turn out to be rectified while you get again from Earth, so long as you do the suitable factor. So, like, for instance, your backbone grows a little bit bit in area or a little bit bit taller in area as a result of the backbone is stored in place with gravity. So our spacesuits, once we would exit spacewalking, they have been configured that they have been about an inch and a half longer within the waist ring that we had. So that you wouldn’t get crushed within it as a result of they knew you have been going to develop a little bit bit. In order that results in a little bit little bit of again discomfort. While you come again from Earth on that one, all the pieces’s going to settle again in. So that you don’t keep that tall. You lose that top. And when it settles again in, you’ve obtained to watch out. You’re not supposed to select up something. The temptation is while you land, you wish to choose up your youngsters. Particularly when my first flight, my youngsters have been little. They have been like seven and 9 years outdated. I didn’t care. I picked them up anyway. However you’re not supposed to select up something heavy as a result of your backbone continues to be settling, and also you’ve obtained to watch out about that. So, there’s been some accidents in that regard.
Your inside ear is a bit tousled while you’re up there as a result of your inside ear works in live performance along with your eyes. So, we are able to do issues like drive a automotive, journey a bicycle, catch a Frisbee, the place we’d like that hand-eye coordination and with the ability to run and do issues with out falling over, stroll. All of it works collectively. And in area, that goes away as a result of the inside ear works on gravity, the vestibular system. So now you don’t have that working for you. So, it was actually bizarre as a result of I’d go up. Once I first went the other way up in area, you’ll be able to float and do no matter you need. However as quickly as I went the other way up in area, I felt like the entire room had rotated. I used to be nonetheless straight up and down. My inside ear is telling me I’m completely nonetheless. So, when my eyes see this occurring, which I’m shifting my fingers now for these of you listening, and also you go the other way up. It was if, no, you’re standing completely nonetheless, however now the room has rotated 180 levels, that form of freaked me out. I additionally threw up my first day as a result of it’s this battle between your eyes and your inside ear. It’s form of like being… In case you’ve ever been seasick or airsick or carsick, it’s a battle between your inside ear and your eyes that, you recognize, you is perhaps in a automotive making an attempt to learn. Typically it may elicit that feeling of nausea as a result of your eyes are saying you’re regular, however your inside ear is saying you’re shifting round. So, what, in area, it’s the alternative purpose. Your inside ear is telling you completely nonetheless. Your eyes are telling you, your mind, you’re shifting round. And that can also result in illness. It occurred to me on my first flight, not on my second. I feel my mind remembered.
And that’s the factor to recollect right here is that your mind can adapt to all of these items. And it figures out the place you might be like your, your liquid swimming pools in your higher extremity. You may get a little bit stiffness in your head. You would even have the tendency to be dehydrated as a result of it’s telling you’ve extra water than you want. So, you must drink quite a bit while you first get there, however the mind figures all that out. While you come again, the inside ear is spun up once more, so that you’re off steadiness a bit. You are feeling like, I felt like I used to be going to fall over. So, you’ll be able to’t drive a automotive, fly an airplane, do something like that for a pair days till you get checked out from the flight surgeon. In order that adaptation again takes a pair days.
The most important well being concern for long-duration flight, flights longer than mine, there was some concern with mine, is that by floating in area, it’s such as you’re on bedrest, like tremendous bedrest, since you’re not doing any, your muscle tissues aren’t essentially working in any respect. And until you do train, that’s when dangerous issues can occur as a result of your muscle tissues can atrophy. Your coronary heart muscle can truly shrink over a protracted time frame. You possibly can lose bone density mass, which isn’t good both. So, we wish to preserve your muscle tissues and bones robust. So, the way in which to counteract that’s train. So, we train on daily basis in area. It’s much more important for many who go to area for longer intervals of time. However train is actually good. I feel, Katie, in fact, as you recognize and speak about, it’s not simply on your bodily well-being. On this case, you needed to do it, but additionally on your psychological well-being. It was at all times good simply to get that half-hour on an train bike. Attempt to match that in someplace is what our purpose was in area. Work up a sweat and really feel higher about it. You possibly can’t go for a stroll or do issues in a daily gymnasium like we may on Earth or nevertheless you would possibly attempt to train at house or wherever. However we’d attempt to use the instruments we had to do this. So, I feel that was necessary for each your bodily and psychological wellness.
And simply to throw out one other factor on your psychological wellness that we had was connections with house. Like the e-mail from my youngsters, that was nice. Simply getting a observe from them or from my spouse or from associates or household and figuring out that they have been nonetheless there. And this connection to the planet is actually necessary. I feel, for instance, once we obtained to the pandemic section, it jogged my memory of a number of area flight. Once I was in quarantine away from my household or in area away from my household, they’re a world away, however they have been nonetheless there. And I feel the way in which we’re speaking over distance by Zoom or no matter app we use today, I feel that enables us to attempt to keep that wellness and that feeling of connectiveness with our family and friends and coworkers. So, that was additionally part of it’s that psychological wellness that was simply as necessary as every other kind of wellness we is perhaps involved about.
Katie: Properly, that’s an ideal springboard as a result of I speak usually on right here about even the bodily advantages of group and that always overquoted thought that you’re the sum of the 5 individuals you spend essentially the most time with, however actually highlighting how a lot group is significant for our well being as people and the way loneliness they’re now saying is extra harmful than smoking as a result of we now have that should be in group. And I really feel like this dovetails with one thing I’ve heard you speak about, which is the parable of the lone genius. And I’d love to elucidate that a little bit.
Mike: Yeah, thanks, Katie. I feel that we do issues collectively and the concept we are able to, we are able to accomplish issues and be pleased by ourselves. I imply, individuals, some individuals don’t should be round individuals as a lot. They is perhaps extra introverts or need their time alone. And I feel that’s nice. However so far as like making an attempt to perform issues in life, I don’t see the way you try this stuff alone. You want individuals that can assist you get educated and skilled and offer you encouragement. And particularly in at present’s world, it’s so difficult that we are able to’t do it alone.
And elevating youngsters is, you recognize, I do know you’ve a number of youngsters operating round over there. That’s not a simple factor. You need assistance to do this. I feel it might be a bit overwhelming if we predict we’re doing issues by ourselves. We predict we must always have the ability to do it by ourselves. I don’t suppose we must always. We shouldn’t maintain ourselves to these requirements. I feel we must always consider it as that I need assistance each every now and then. And this idea of group, of how necessary that was, I feel I’ve realized extra just lately that that was one thing that was at all times within me. Once I was a child, I nonetheless have my associates from once I was in kindergarten are a few of my greatest associates nonetheless. And my associates from rising up in elementary college, highschool, faculty, and so forth. I at all times appreciated having a group round me of associates to assist with private points, that I may assist them with their private points. And we may, we’re working at school collectively or on a group collectively. And I feel we, a number of us are rising up that approach in group and neighborhoods and households and so forth. And I feel it’s necessary to recollect to proceed that as a result of you’ll be able to’t do it alone. It’s a very difficult world.
Once I first arrived at NASA, I used to be very involved about this swim take a look at I used to be going to should take as a result of I wasn’t a robust swimmer, and I didn’t just like the water very a lot. However as soon as I used to be chosen, I used to be knowledgeable that I used to be going to want to go a swim take a look at with a view to undergo water survival coaching. And I wanted to undergo water survival coaching with the Navy in case I ejected out of an plane. We have been going to fly high-performance jets with ejection seats and parachutes. And when you land within the water, you’re going to should survive till they’ll come get you. So, you needed to undergo this survival course. Additionally, for the shuttle, the area shuttle, there was a bailout state of affairs. In case you had an emergency and also you couldn’t make it to a runway, you have been going within the water. So, you’re going to bail out of that factor and are available down. And the parachute, you had to have the ability to survive till the helicopter comes and will get you. In order that was one thing we needed to do. And I wasn’t a robust swimmer. I confirmed up at NASA with a number of apply, and I assumed I may go that take a look at, however I assumed I used to be going to appear like an actual goofball. Right here I’m, I’m going to, I’m round all these high-performing individuals and I’m only a goof. How’s this going to end up? And, on the finish of our first week of administrative stuff, we have been about to go house for the weekend. It was primarily, our first week was primarily admin assembly, Neil Armstrong came visiting, that was cool. However we have been going to start out our coaching in earnest the second week.
And in order that Friday afternoon earlier than I went house, Jeff Ashby, a Navy pilot from the category forward of us, was serving to us perceive what we have been going to do for our coaching and main us by that. And earlier than he dismissed us, he mentioned, “I wish to remind everybody that our coaching begins on Monday in earnest. And our first occasion would be the swim take a look at.” How a couple of math quiz? Can we do one thing now? How does it should be the swim take a look at? And he goes on to say that he mentioned, “Sure, sure. Who’re the by present of fingers, who’re the robust swimmers on this group?” And some individuals raised their hand. We had some Navy-qualified divers and different folks that raised their hand. After which he goes, okay, extra necessary, who’re the weak swimmers on this group? And I have to know, don’t misinform me. So, I raised my hand. I knew I wasn’t a really robust swimmer. And he mentioned, “Okay, anybody who didn’t elevate their hand can go house. However the weak swimmers and the robust swimmers keep after class. And also you’re going to rearrange a time to satisfy over the weekend at a pool. As a result of the robust swimmers are going to assist the weak swimmers with their swimming. Once we go to the pool on Monday, nobody leaves that pool till everybody passes the take a look at.”
And that’s made me notice that I’m in a special world now. It’s very blatant that we predict perhaps we are able to do issues on our personal with the astronaut enterprise. There’s no approach you’ll be able to’t. It’s an excessive amount of occurring that you must care for one another. Your life is determined by the particular person subsequent to you. And your success relies upon, as a group, is determined by one another working collectively. And that was my introduction to that. And greater than that, too, I feel, Katie, is that, when you’re good at one thing, that you must assist the others. You might be Michael Phelps and set a world file within the pool, but when one among your classmates failed, you failed. So, that you must assist the individuals you’ll be able to assist after they want your assist. However I feel additionally a part of that to me, which is I feel more durable to confess, is while you need assistance for the sake of the group, for the sake of your personal success, that you must get assist. And when you’re having bother, no matter that is perhaps, when you’re out on a discipline train and also you harm your knee, for instance, that you must fess up and say, hey, I feel I did one thing to my again or my knee or no matter it is perhaps since you’re going to gradual the group down and your group will help you. All proper, give me your bag. I’ll carry your pack. I’ll assist you out. However that you must admit it. And you’d truly get in bother when you didn’t admit these issues, when you didn’t admit you weren’t feeling effectively, and also you couldn’t do the job, otherwise you weren’t ready since you didn’t perceive a sure idea, otherwise you have been nervous about no matter it was. That additionally impacts the group. So, the one bother you’d actually have is while you didn’t admit that you simply wanted assist. It was necessary to confess it and to be keen to just accept that assist.
And I additionally speak about, like, figuring out who to go to, having that mission management heart. Once I was in area and I made a mistake that I assumed there was no strategy to save the day, I reached out to the management heart, they usually gave me, they got here up with an answer. It was once I was engaged on the Hubble, I stripped the screw. It was a very silly transfer, however they have been in a position to provide you with an answer. And I take into consideration that. They have been a world away, however they have been in a position to assist me. So, I don’t, you recognize, this concept that we are able to do issues in at present’s world by ourselves, I feel that may be a fantasy. I feel that it’s not that we’re not sensible or succesful or we must always not believe in ourselves. I feel that’s all necessary. However I feel it’s additionally a realization that we’re on this sport collectively. And we must always give assist once we can. And I feel individuals have the tendency to do this, however, however don’t neglect while you need assistance to succeed in out to your management heart. And be mission management for others. Be that particular person they’ll come to. But additionally attain out while you need assistance. You understand, life, I have a look at life as an open-book take a look at. While you need assistance, go get it.
Katie: I feel that’s truly a really related reminder for mothers, particularly, as a result of we are sometimes the management facilities, to make use of the analogy, for thus many individuals, our youngsters, our households, and associates, and infrequently have bother asking for assist. So, I feel that’s a wonderfully resonant reminder for mothers who’re listening as effectively. And now, I’d love to speak about your new ebook, Moonshots, as a result of I liked the idea of this ebook. I like the message of this ebook. I feel as a mother, I learn it with the lens of serving to my youngsters construct a framework for being keen to tackle thrilling adventures in their very own life. However what impressed it for you? I’d guess, in fact, your expertise in area, however one thing felt necessary with bringing that message to a wider viewers. So, what was the impetus for Moonshots?
Mike: Properly, thanks, Katie. And I’m glad you, I’m actually very grateful and really flattered right here that you simply just like the ebook. Trigger that’s precisely what it’s imagined to do is assist individuals with no matter that’s with household, with work, no matter. And that, that’s why I wrote it’s that now it’s only a common, I’m, there’s nothing particular about me. I labored onerous. I had individuals assist me alongside the way in which. I attempted to hunt out mentors that have been going to assist me, however there’s nothing particular about me. I’m the alternative of what you suppose would possibly turn out to be an astronaut. I, I spotted once I was eight years outdated that I used to be afraid of heights and fearful of most issues. And I used to be by no means going to turn out to be a fearless take a look at pilot like Neil Armstrong. That concept of once I began to understand what these astronauts actually did, like, there’s no approach I’m doing that. And I used to be, you recognize, this skinny, scrawny child rising up. I couldn’t see very effectively. My eyesight was dangerous. I ended up getting medically disqualified from NASA due to my eyesight and needed to undergo imaginative and prescient coaching to enhance that and get requalified once more. I’m not that, you recognize, what individuals would possibly suppose astronauts are. And I feel truly a number of them are like that. They’re simply common individuals.
However there are classes that I realized alongside the way in which and folks that helped me and issues that occurred and that I realized primarily from different individuals. Some I found and made up by myself of guidelines of the right way to do issues, pointers that not solely obtained me to the astronaut workplace, that was solely a part of it. You understand, getting that job, getting that diploma, getting that chance. What occurs while you’re given that chance? What are you able to do to achieve success with that chance? Whether or not it’s, you recognize, with your loved ones, with elevating youngsters, or no matter it is perhaps. What are a few of the issues that you are able to do? And I realized a lot. I stored my eyes and ears open and realized a lot about these issues. These classes that a few of we’ve talked about in perseverance and in management and in teamwork and in talking up and in being amazed and having fun with the sweetness round you. Coping with change. All these items are within the ebook. And what they’re are classes, a few of which we’ve talked about at present, that I wished to share with individuals. As a result of if I may pull off my moonshot, you recognize, the title of the ebook isn’t bodily going to the moon, nevertheless it’s about this concept that your moonshot is no matter dream you might need in life, whether or not that’s private or skilled. One way or the other, I used to be in a position to pull it off, and I nonetheless look mystified of how all that occurred in some methods. And I wished to share that with individuals, as a result of if I can obtain my moonshot, so are you able to. And that was actually the motivation right here is to gather these tales which have resonated I discovered with audiences that I communicate to through the years. What are my high 10 classes? And let’s get them written down with the tales behind them as a result of it’s like a guidebook of issues that I realized earlier than, throughout, and after the astronaut program of the right way to obtain unattainable goals of the right way to do issues that is perhaps intimidating to you, of which are going to be tough. And something worthwhile goes to be tough, and also you’re going to face failure and rejection and dangerous days and good days and and all these items are going to occur to you. How do you take care of it? How do you get round these issues? That’s why I wished to share all these items that I had realized through the years with whoever thought they both wanted assist with growing their moonshot or attaining it.
Katie: And I’m curious if something stands out to you from your personal childhood that your dad and mom did that helped encourage your mindset and your capacity to stay to it once I’m positive issues obtained tough at numerous occasions and or something that then translated into elevating your personal youngsters with a framework and a mindset to have the ability to obtain their very own moonshots.
Mike: My dad and mom, each have been very sensible. My mother was actually sensible. She was like the neatest child at school when she was rising up. However she didn’t have the chance to go to varsity. That wasn’t – her dad and mom have been from Italy, and he or she grew up in Brooklyn and faculty was not on the horizon for her or a number of ladies her age of her time. And my dad additionally grew up on a farm, and he went to highschool and was a really sensible particular person and a great pupil, however by no means had the chance. His job was to return house and work on the farm. His dad and mom have been additionally immigrants. So, they grew up with a little bit alternative to get the next training, however with huge goals and wished to encourage me and my brother and my sister to get an training and to attempt to fulfill no matter we wished to do. As a result of I feel they felt like they have been held again, they usually didn’t need their youngsters to really feel that approach. So, they have been very encouraging.
The opposite factor is that my mother was just about a stay-at-home mother. Once we have been all out of the home, she went and labored in a senior heart within the cafeteria. My dad, his job was, he had a couple of completely different jobs after which primarily his profession from the time I used to be born just about onward till he retired was working for the New York Metropolis Hearth Division. And my neighborhood was this working-class neighborhood the place most of my good friend’s dad and mom didn’t go to varsity. Most of them labored in like, we have been thought of doing service for others. The man subsequent to me was a New York Metropolis police officer, a neighbor subsequent door. The particular person throughout the road was a, was a Nassau County detective throughout the road, however we had individuals working in these completely different jobs the place they have been serving to individuals and have been a part of one thing that was larger. And I feel that was the opposite factor that, that caught with me of that to, you’ll be able to have a look at making an attempt to make some huge cash perhaps or fame or no matter it is perhaps. However I had the sense that, and I nonetheless consider this, that I feel that’s in some, if that’s all you’re taking a look at, it’s considerably unfulfilling. And that what you actually wish to do in life, what I realized from my dad and mom was do one thing that’s significant, whether or not it’s, you recognize, in elevating a household or having a job the place you’re serving to different individuals, otherwise you’re doing one thing to make the world a greater place. You won’t make an entire lot of cash. We didn’t make a number of money as astronauts, however we definitely felt that we have been a part of one thing larger than us, that we have been doing one thing we liked, that we have been a part of a very close-knit group. And that group was in my thoughts as a little bit child, however each with my household and with my associates in my city and the way in which my dad and mom have been energetic in the neighborhood and elevating us. I feel that was instilled. And I searched. I actually wished that as an grownup. And I discovered that within the astronaut workplace, a strategy to be a part of a group, a approach to assist one another, be a part of an awesome group of folks that with us, with a spotlight to do one thing that was collectively, we may do one thing that’s larger than us.
And I feel, once more, it may relate to your private life and likewise to your skilled life. And that got here as I’m doing extra of those interviews and enthusiastic about the ebook and the place this, it actually comes from them. It actually comes from my mother and pop and my household and my neighborhood. They put me heading in the right direction to do the issues that was my moonshot. And I don’t know. I don’t notice that when that was occurring. However now I definitely do. So, they get full credit score.
Katie: I like that. I additionally had dad and mom who’re very centered on discovering a approach to assist different individuals. And now, with my youngsters, I, as an entrepreneur, I attempt to weave that into the way in which I elevate them. However I inform them quite a bit, like if the entire level of beginning a enterprise or when you’re going to be an entrepreneur, search for the locations you’ll be able to assist individuals or the issues you’ll be able to resolve that assist individuals. And construct from there as a result of that’s going to really feel fulfilling. And likewise, I consider earnings follows consequence. And when you simply chase earnings, you gained’t be fulfilled, and also you most likely gained’t obtain as a lot within the metrics that you simply would possibly have a look at. Whereas when you’re centered on serving to individuals, I actually do consider earnings will stream from that and that your wants will likely be taken care of.
Mike: I’m with you 100%. I feel the cash comes. I feel you must have a look at what you like doing, what’s your function. And that you must determine a strategy to make a residing at it. However I feel when you’re doing what you like, what your ardour is, if you are able to do that, determine a strategy to make a residing at it, that cash will come.
And also you requested me about my youngsters. So, I’ve obtained two of my very own, and I’ve obtained two stepkids now. And everyone’s at school proper now, Katie. The 2 stepkids are each in faculty, and my youngsters are in grad college. My daughter’s in grad college within the college of social work. She’s making an attempt to assist individuals. My son is in engineering grad college. He’s seeking to – he’s within the area program. We’ll see what occurs there. However I feel by displaying by instance, and I feel now that they’re older, which is attention-grabbing, I feel that that was instilled in them that, they simply noticed what I used to be doing, perhaps, like I noticed what my dad and mother have been doing, that they noticed their dad and mom engaged in these kinds of jobs and group. I feel that’s the place it looks as if, I don’t wish to hope they’re not listening to this. Trigger I don’t wish to, as a result of I don’t wish to mess them up. I attempt to keep out of it each time I can, Katie. There’s one of the best factor I may do. Often simply attempt to assist as greatest I can and attempt to do what I feel is true. And perhaps they’ll discover, however at all times attempt to encourage them. And I’m thrilled that everyone’s at school. I feel that’s a great place to attempt to pursue a dream. However I agree with you 100%. I feel you mentioned it completely that in case your focus is making an attempt to earn money or turn out to be well-known or no matter it’s, you’re not going to get there. And one of the best factor to do is to observe your ardour the place you might be of service to individuals. And that cash, you must believe that cash will come. That’ll make you profitable.
Katie: Yeah, I like that. And such as you, it looks as if we now have the same method with our children the place I don’t wish to intrude. I at all times say you’re your personal infinite autonomous people. And I’m not right here to direct who they’re. I’m right here to assist them in discovering who they’re and who they’re, to not information that by my very own motivation. And it’s-
Mike: Yeah. Yeah.
Katie: Yeah, effectively, I like that. And I do know so many issues stood out to me within the ebook as effectively. I like that the story-based method to it. It’s such a enjoyable learn. I’d love to the touch on rapid-fire a couple of of the belongings you speak about. There’s some sensible suggestions. One is about harnessing nervous system power for motivation. I speak quite a bit concerning the system on this podcast and the way it’s a barometer. And if even when we mentally really feel high quality, you recognize, if our nervous system doesn’t really feel protected, we’re not going to relaxation and digest and heal. And it’s so intricately related to all the pieces. So, I like that you simply talked about this as effectively. Are you able to speak about what you imply by harvesting nervous system power for motivation?
Mike: Yeah, I feel that when you’re nervous about one thing, that’s a great signal. That’s the very first thing they made as a result of it signifies that it’s necessary to you. And I discover if I’m nervous about it was a couple of area flight or, you recognize, getting a coaching flight or a simulator or an examination I used to be taking at school, or I don’t know if I thought of this once I was at school this manner. I want I’d have. However I’m like, all proper, I’m nervous about it. However that is what I realized at NASA is that I’m nervous about it’s as a result of it’s necessary to me. And I’ve spoken to some athletes about it. And there’s a baseball supervisor, a good friend of mine, Tony La Russa, I feel is extra wins than every other supervisor. And I used to be visiting with him earlier than a sport. Final yr, and he appears at me. We have been in Yankee Stadium, lovely sunny day, and we’re speaking, and he goes, “You understand, Mike, I’m actually nervous.” I’m going, “You’re nervous? You’ve managed extra video games than anyone. What are you nervous about?” And he goes, “I’m simply nervous. You understand, it’s a sport.” And we talked about this, how nervousness is nice. And he mentioned there was one time there was a younger pitcher who was going to start out his first sport within the main leagues. And Tony mentioned, “How are you feeling? Are you nervous?” And the child mentioned, “No.” And he mentioned, “No, you’re not pitching at present. As a result of when you’re not nervous, you’re not prepared.” In order that’s a method to consider it. However you wish to use that nervous power, I feel, that can assist you put together. I’m nervous about this. It’s good as a result of it’s necessary to me. However I’m additionally, in my case, I considered the way in which it got here to work for me was that that’s how I higher prepare for this factor. And I wish to consider all the pieces that may go improper and attempt to be ready if I’m on a spacewalk and this occurs, that occurs. And attempt to construct that confidence. Like we’re going to take a take a look at. You understand, when you’re nervous, that’s good. It’s good, when you’re nervous forward of time, particularly as a result of then you’ll be able to put together, proper? So when you use that nervous power that can assist you put together after which when it’s sport time, no matter which means, whether or not it’s the occasion, it’s the pitch you’re giving, the presentation, the sport you’re enjoying, the take a look at you’re taking, the social occasion you’re attending or no matter it’s, you recognize, no matter that that the dialogue with the youngsters, no matter it’s. Now it’s time to belief in what you’ve completed to organize, belief in your self, belief within the community of individuals that may assist you. In case you’re going to want that assist, belief the gear, the instruments that you’ve, no matter it’s, when you’re getting into to make a pitch and also you’re going to be utilizing a chunk of kit to assist or no matter, have belief in all the pieces since you’re prepared and also you’re ready. And now, it’s time to execute and attempt to have that belief.
You understand, confidence is one thing I want I had extra of, perhaps, however I really feel like, all proper, I can belief. I checked out as belief as one thing that I can, I belief the individuals I’m with. I belief my tools. I belief my coaching. I wouldn’t be within the, my identify wasn’t picked out of a hat. I’m right here for a purpose. And it took me some time to get to consider that, however we have to consider that in these conditions after which attempt to execute our plan.
And also you talked about a little bit bit about being scared. One, I by no means, I used to be by no means in like scary, like actually scary conditions the place I assumed I used to be going to get perhaps killed or harm fairly often in life. However as an astronaut, I did. There have been sure occasions we had an emergency one time in a jet the place we misplaced our hydraulic strain, which suggests you’ll be able to’t fly the airplane. We solely had about 20 minutes to get it on the bottom, if that a lot. And we have been on the point of eject out of the airplane. Fortunately, we have been in a position to get it on the bottom. However that was a scary state of affairs for me. Like, holy cow. After which one other state of affairs, spacewalking, trying on the spaceship earlier than the launch. There have been sure occasions I used to be like, uh… And what I spotted at these moments was that being scared is a luxurious that I can’t afford proper now, that being scared isn’t going to assist me. It’s not going to permit me to suppose clearly. It’s not going to assist me make selections. I do not need time for that. And I simply blocked it out. And I by no means thought I may react that approach. However that was the case as a result of I couldn’t afford to be scared. I needed to have my give attention to what was occurring, or else one thing dangerous may occur. And never all conditions are like that, proper? Hopefully, that you simply’re not, oh, you recognize, that is actually dangerous. However I feel a number of our life is like that, the place we’re in a scary state of affairs. And I feel strive to take a look at it extra as nervous power to get you prepared. And while you’re within the second, don’t be scared. Have that belief. Have that belief in what you’ve completed to organize and execute the plan and have belief that you simply’re prepared for no matter that, no matter that have or alternative is. As a result of getting scared within the second isn’t, I don’t suppose, goes to assist. Is that what you discovered as effectively?
Katie: Yeah, and I like that reframe of that while you’re nervous, it’s pointing to one thing necessary reasonably than the thought when you’re nervous, that which means you shouldn’t do it. As a result of I feel usually, we are able to get scared and resolve to not do one thing as a result of we’re nervous. And I additionally suppose it touches on not defining feelings as dangerous, like not simply saying, oh, I’m nervous. It’s a nasty factor. This can be a nice messenger. This implies that is necessary to me. This implies perhaps my physique has some hesitancy, however I can nonetheless do that. I feel a smaller instance the place I’ve seen this in my very own life is issues like once I’ve needed to have tough conversations, realizing I’m nervous as a result of that is necessary to me or this particular person is necessary to me. And it’s solely scary till you do it. Just like the Ryan Vacation thought, the impediment is the way in which that always the remedy to the nervousness is to really do the factor, to not keep away from it. And if we resist it, it tends to construct. I feel that’s one other worthwhile parenting lesson as a result of definitely our children can have moments the place they really feel nervous or fearful and to be a information for them by these conditions as effectively. You additionally speak about why it may be a good suggestion to wallow in remorse for 30 seconds.
Mike: Sure.
Katie: That is one other a little bit bit like countercultural one which I’d love so that you can expound on.
Mike: Yeah, what’s attention-grabbing right here, Katie, is you’re placing, like, what I discover a very attention-grabbing educational spin to a number of these items that I simply realized by strolling round, you recognize, making errors and, you recognize, flying airplanes and stuff. However that is actually cool. I’m having fun with this. The 30-second rule. Okay. So, I had, you recognize, what I’d discover once I would make errors, uh, I feel some individuals deny their errors. I feel most individuals aren’t like this. However sometimes, you’ll be able to consider somebody that simply didn’t. I by no means did. It wasn’t me. I didn’t do something improper. It’s you. It’s another person. The deniers, proper? I don’t know if there’s actually two classes right here. However the different class that I find out about is my class, which is I simply beat myself up. And once I would fail issues, I failed my qualifying examination my first time once I was making an attempt to get my PhD, and I used to be in a position to retake it and and go it the subsequent time. However I beat, I used to be like, oh man, this was horrible. And I wallowed within the distress for like a very long time, like for days, every week, till I used to be in a position to pull myself again out of it, otherwise you get dangerous information, or one thing occurs in your private life. I imply, you recognize, when it’s, yeah, I’m not, there are issues that occur like a dying within the household that’s one thing completely different, however I imply, like while you make a mistake at work or or one thing otherwise you simply no matter mistake you make, I’m in a relationship no matter it’s. And also you, oh man, I shouldn’t, why did I say that, why did I try this? You would make a mistake that results in remorse, as I mentioned for days or every week or extra, and also you by no means get that point again; you simply don’t it’s it’s gone, and it doesn’t change something you’re nonetheless in that very same place.
So, I’d, and in area, you don’t have a minute to do this. You understand, you make a mistake and like, oh, crap. Properly, now what? You understand, you’ll be able to’t wallow within the distress. You’ve obtained to be an energetic participant within the answer. So, I’d hear individuals saying, and I hear this in sports activities quite a bit too, like while you make a mistake, depart it previously, depart it behind you, let it go. You understand, and I’d be like, oh, actually? But it surely’s horrible. What I did was horrible. So how do you, the way in which that I discovered was greatest for me and for lots of us that I work with as astronauts was this 30-second rule that I realized from my good friend, Megan McArthur. This second time I’ve talked about her, I want to provide her a cellphone name, apparently. And she or he’s on my thoughts.
So, Megan, and he or she realized it from a man named CJ Sturckow, who was a Marine take a look at pilot who taught it to her. However she taught it to me. And it’s give your self, it’s a 30-second rule. Give your self 30 seconds of remorse. It’s okay with this rule now. It’s okay to be mad at your self for one thing silly that you simply did. All proper. That’s okay. You understand, I didn’t imply to do this. It was a mistake. That was dangerous. And you’ll take 30 seconds to beat your self up. So, once I made a mistake making an attempt to work on the telescope, which was a horrible bonehead maneuver, I stripped the screw as a result of I used to be being a bit careless. And I, you recognize, how may I’ve completed this? I took my 30 seconds, and I mentioned to myself, you’re the worst astronaut ever. How may you’ve completed this? Why did they even put you on this flight? Like they need to have given another person’s. That is you. That is approach over your head. Why don’t you consider that beforehand? Why don’t you consider that? We should always have ready in a different way. Now look the place you might be. We’ll by no means discover on the market’s life within the universe. And it’s your fault. And, you recognize, simply don’t vocalize any of these items. Simply preserve it to your self as a result of if individuals hear you, they get scared. So, I had my 30-second rant. After which I obtained it out in my head. And I’m like, now it’s previously. It’s formally flushed. We’re going to neglect about it. We’re not going to do this. We’re going to study from it. We’re not. We’re not going to be cavalier like I used to be with the instrument any longer. That’s the takeaway there. That’s not occurring once more. But it surely’s previously, and we’re going to maneuver ahead and attempt to discover a answer. In order that’s, that’s, what’s been useful for me and for a lot of of my colleagues.
Katie: And I feel the worth there’s you’re truly giving a voice to these feelings reasonably than combating them. So once more, with the, what you resist, persist, but additionally there appears one thing psychologically useful within the construction of that, of like, there’s a time restrict, it goes away, and now you’ll be able to let it go. I feel I’ve had many recurring classes in my very own life about letting go reasonably than holding on to definitely damaging feelings, however many issues. And I’ve completed one thing related as a mother on the actually overwhelming days. I’ll set a timer for 5 minutes. And my purpose in that point is I’m going to really feel as pressured as potential. I’m going to really feel all of this stress and fear. After which when that 5 minutes is up, I’m going to go get solution-focused, and I’m going to resolve it. And it’s one thing about that construction is so comforting. And so, I like that you simply’ve used this apply as effectively, even in area and what’s rather more excessive stakes than the, you recognize, the issues I encounter every day. However I feel that’s a very useful, tangible instrument that individuals can use.
I do know we’re speaking concerning the ebook. I’ll, in fact, make sure that it’s linked within the present notes for you guys listening when you’re driving or strolling. You will discover it there, or wherever books are bought. However for the final couple of minutes of our dialog, I’d like to circle again to one thing we talked about early on, form of that impression you had, the angle of being in area and the way it led you to seek out awe within the atypical. I feel that is value returning to as a result of I firmly consider that probably the greatest issues we are able to do in life is to domesticate that surprise and that awe for all the pieces to get overwhelmed with the fantastic thing about life. Of what make the character, of relationships. And I feel it’s one thing that, as a mother, I see youngsters are so naturally attuned to, and maybe we lose a little bit bit as we become old. So, what are some ways in which you personally discover awe within the atypical and domesticate that in your life?
Mike: I truly, I discover that I have to take a cognizant, deliberate timeout to do it. And I discover that if I really feel myself getting a little bit pressured, which occurs to everyone, and I wouldn’t say that the issues that you simply’re doing as a mother is much less annoying than what I realized. The excessive stakes is that, you recognize, that was solely a telescope. It was solely the way forward for astronomy. It wasn’t essentially, you recognize… Your life or livelihood, however a number of occasions, so anyway, however I feel I discover that I have to typically actually cease myself and say, hey, wait a minute. Let’s simply look out the window for a minute. Let’s have a look at an image of my spouse on the cellphone. Let’s consider one thing with the youngsters however go searching. Go searching, even the stuff you’ve in your condominium or house, and that’s what actually helps me. I stay in New York Metropolis, and once I get out, particularly once I get out the entrance door, whether or not it’s wherever I is perhaps, if it’s if I’m touring someplace, or if I’m at house and I get out that door, I simply attempt to take a second and go searching and say, that is unbelievable. In the beginning of the day, I simply suppose that is unimaginable. You understand, within the metropolis, there’s simply this all this second. In case you’re out and we additionally spend a while in additional of a countryfied setting, like we’re going to be for Thanksgiving, and we open up that entrance door and there’s bushes and a lake in entrance of us. And oh, my goodness, have a look at that surprise.
And however within the metropolis, you open it as much as the door and going out on a road and looking out up on the buildings and the automobiles and the bus and the individuals and the park within the distance or no matter you would possibly have the ability to to see. It’s it’s simply wondrous that we now have this chance to be right here and to satisfy folks that what individuals can do. We take a lot without any consideration, like paintings. I can’t, you recognize that’s one thing I actually can’t do, proper? However I can surprise and see how individuals. Do that and even the buildings. I don’t know the right way to construct a constructing. I imply, I perceive the way it’s completed as a result of I’m an engineer, however I I’m fortunate. I imply, this place I’m sitting in now, I had nothing to do with it. You understand, another person constructed this factor. It’s a surprise what individuals can do with their with their time and their abilities and by working collectively. And I feel it’s actually necessary for us to do not forget that as a result of we’re solely right here for a go to.
When one of many experiences I had residing the planet orbiting again and again, on the velocity we go, so we go at 17,500 miles an hour. That’s our velocity in area. It takes 90 minutes to do one full orbit. Out of that point, about half that point is in daylight. Lovely, vivid, pure white gentle, the solar in area above the ambiance. It’s so lovely. And a part of that point is in full darkness as a result of it’s nighttime on half the planet, proper? So, half the time is in vivid daylight, half the time is in darkness. You get 16 sunrises and 16 sunsets in a 24-hour interval. And while you’re coming into that dawn, for instance, you’re feeling the heat of the solar like down in your bones, like a chilly, like a heat present within the water, when you’re within the ocean or one thing. Anyway, however you’re feeling it earlier than you see it. And also you come across the nook, you see the solar and the black sky, and also you look again down at our planet, and also you see a line that divides night time and day. And it strikes, and it’s shifting steadily. And what that’s, we name it The Terminator. And we predict the solar rises and units. The solar doesn’t go wherever. The solar stays the place it’s. We’re those which are shifting across the solar, and we’re additionally rotating. So, a dawn, it’s not that the solar’s popping out tomorrow. It’s the earth goes to rotate towards the solar tomorrow. You possibly can rely on that. And taking a look at, proper, we all know we are able to rely on that.
However once I noticed that, and I noticed this line shifting throughout the USA, and there’s one specific occasion, about to light up California, and it was like over Arizona, coming over California. This line, we name it The Terminator, was shifting so steadily. It had the phrase that got here to my thoughts once I was watching it, the rotation of our planet was permanence, that this has been occurring for billions of years, effectively earlier than my dad and mom and grandparents and anybody, effectively earlier than any of us have been round. And I had the sense on high of that, Katie, that it’s going to be occurring for a very long time after we’re gone. This cosmic dance of issues in our universe and the movement of our planet and all of the exercise that takes place on it’ll be occurring for a really very long time. That is our time. That is our blip to take pleasure in what we now have right here. And it’s so valuable to be right here that we are able to’t waste a second, uh, of our time right here doing dangerous issues or issues that aren’t good, no matter which means.
So, I feel we must always take a trip each time we are able to, on daily basis, to simply be amazed by the place we’re and the way fortunate we’re to be right here and that that is our time. And we’re, you recognize, in your case as a mother and my case as a dad, I feel extra as I’m getting older that I’m going to be leaving, proper? I don’t wish to take into consideration that, nevertheless it’s, you recognize, it occurs, proper? And what we depart behind is actually necessary, and what’s extra necessary than our children and the individuals we have an effect on and college students or whoever we affect. As a result of that planet is, it didn’t hiccup. It didn’t hesitate. It’s going to maintain rotating, and it’s going to maintain orbiting. And this entire factor that we typically take without any consideration of the place we’re and the way fortunate we’re to be right here and so forth, that’s going to proceed effectively after we’re gone. And we have to do one of the best to take pleasure in it, I feel, and to assist the oldsters who’re nonetheless going to be round to proceed to contribute after we’re gone.
Katie: So lovely. I’ve a factor I attempt to remind myself usually, the thought to simply be right here now, as a result of really the current second is all we even have. And I feel if we savor that and keep current to it, we see the sweetness in that second extra simply. I truly actually have a tiny dot tattooed on my hand that’s consultant of a interval on the finish of a sentence. And it jogs my memory to savor all the pieces as if it have been the final time I’d ever get to do it. And I really feel like that brings me a lot focus and presence. And that in that second, it’s simpler to see the sweetness in my child’s eyes or the sweetness within the bushes and actually absorb that current second. So, I like that you simply speak about that as effectively. I feel that’s such an important reminder and would positively encourage individuals to take a look at the ebook as effectively. Once more, I’ll hyperlink to it within the present notes, however Mike, this has been such a enjoyable dialog. I’m so grateful you have been right here. Thanks for spending the time with us at present.
Mike: Thanks very a lot, Katie. Due to everybody who’s listening. Hopefully, a few of this was useful as a result of that’s what it’s meant to be. And I simply loved it. You’re superior. Thanks a lot. I’ve realized a lot right here, too, though I used to be jabbering the entire time. Thanks very a lot for having me on and for sharing your insights. Thanks.
Katie: Thanks. And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your most dear sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with us at present. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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