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Katie: Hi there and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about letting youngsters paved the way, about embracing important pondering and the altering nature of schooling, all by the lens of children cooking within the kitchen. And I actually cherished this interview that went in lots of totally different instructions. I’m right here with Lisa Jendza, who was a marketing consultant for HP and she or he witnessed what she calls the decline in important pondering and launched into a journey to assist coach adults and now youngsters on how one can take their energy again and suppose extra critically.
And much like her grownup detox program, her cooking lessons are an experiential option to create lasting change and extra important pondering and resulting in extra youngsters who’re extra empowered, revered and given the liberty to discover. She opens up dialogue round what it means to be a pacesetter, how youngsters are affected by peer stress in relation to what’s thought of regular in meals and way of life selections, and rather more in her packages referred to as Freedom Kitchen, which is a judgment-free zone the place she helps youngsters discover the braveness to discover totally different components and finally, how one can be leaders of their very own well being and happiness out and in of the classroom.
And this was a very enjoyable interview. I believe it’ll resonate for plenty of households. We discuss her journey, how actions converse louder than phrases, however expertise trumps motion, how she teaches life classes by kitchen expertise, the significance of experiments, how failure and perfection are each not allowed, how one can shift mindset by meals experiences, how youngsters are so able to understanding and making good selections about meals and about life.
We discuss proper brain-focused approaches to schooling, how cooking is a good entire mind expertise with each proper and left mind actions, how our children’ futures will look very totally different than we are able to predict and how one can assist them put together, how one can create extra alternatives for proper mind studying in youngsters, and a lot extra. I very a lot loved this interview, and so let’s be a part of Lisa. Lisa, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Lisa: Oh, thanks a lot for having me, Katie. It’s an honor.
Katie: I’m very excited to speak with you as a result of I believe we now have lots of alignment in a few of our beliefs and I believe you’ve gotten such a stupendous means of explaining and instructing it that’s actually related, particularly to youngsters and nearly all of the individuals listening are dad and mom. So I believe that is going to be very relevant to many, lots of the individuals listening. And I believe for some background for this episode, as a result of we’re going to get to delve deep into the work that you just do now. And I do know this has not at all times been the work that you just do, however that you just additionally, what perhaps what led to a few of this, no less than from researching your bio is noticing a decline in important pondering after which taking a look at how one can create options for that. And as a homeschooling mother and an entrepreneur, that is one in every of my first ideas of life and of parenting is how will we really nurture these expertise that can serve our children in no matter they encounter in grownup life and creativity and important pondering high that listing in our home. And so I like that this was the impetus for you, however I’d love to listen to about a few of your background and what led to that bounce.
Lisa: Nicely, let me simply say that I honor you and respect you and all the homeschool dad and mom on the market. I didn’t homeschool my youngsters. They did undergo the general public faculty system. I used to be a company info expertise marketing consultant. For a few years, I used to be in operations, community operations. Most years, GM being my shopper. So I used to be accountable for preserving meeting strains operating after which preserving the OnStar software operating. And so when you can think about, I used to be on name 24/7 and with the calls for of my job, I raised my youngsters on bins and drive-throughs and I trusted the college system. I used to be a product of the college system and a number of school levels.
And alongside the best way, I undoubtedly advanced. So I don’t suppose that there’s a proper or incorrect reply. What I love to do now’s encourage dialog, provoke some thought round a number of the selections we’re making as a result of I believe a number of the selections we make are on autopilot as a result of it’s simply what we do, proper? It’s simply what society does. And that’s what I discovered as I used to be in my consulting profession. The solutions that I’d get from individuals is, effectively, it’s simply at all times been performed this fashion. And I believe I used to be placed on this planet to really problem the established order. So I moved from difficult the established order and IT Consulting to actually sort of all areas of life. And the best way I have a look at it’s now I’m serving to to develop future leaders.
Katie: Nicely, and I like the work you do. And I’m so glad we’re attending to have this dialog as a result of that was my journey as effectively. And the explanation that I ended up homeschooling, I’ve talked about this just a little bit earlier than, however was when my oldest was 5, attempting to ask higher questions. And I like that you just introduced that up. I believe after we ask higher questions, we clearly get higher solutions. However I checked out him at virtually 5 years outdated and thought, what’s going to greatest put together him for grownup life? Realizing that what I do in grownup life didn’t exist as a profession possibility once I was 5. So nobody may have anticipated to straight put together me for that. And realizing his future could possibly be in who is aware of, instructions that haven’t even been invented but. So what greatest prepares youngsters for that?
And such as you, I labored backwards and realized it was these foundational expertise. It wasn’t information down, it was expertise up. And it was the mindset that they’ve as they develop up. It’s these foundational issues that they’ll construct on into no matter they find yourself pursuing of their grownup life. And I believe the best way that you just convey this in with youngsters can be actually, actually distinctive and likewise tremendous relevant. Such as you, I used to be additionally a product of the college system. So there was undoubtedly some important pondering that needed to occur for me and a few dismantling of assumptions that existed for me. However speak extra about the way you then made that swap after which what you’re doing now to actually nurture that ability, as a result of I believe that is so foundational and essential.
Lisa: Yeah, effectively, phrases don’t educate, experiences do. And that was one thing additionally I didn’t actually perceive when my youngsters had been younger. And we are able to inform our children to do one thing totally different, however attributable to mirror neurons, they’re going to observe what we’re doing. So one factor we’ve all heard is, you already know, actions converse louder than phrases, however what speaks louder than actions is experiences.
And so I really moved into serving to adults detox first. And so I ended up buying a wellness spa and I began instructing cleansing about 16 years in the past. And as many lectures as I gave, I noticed the identical factor that I noticed in Company America and other people’s eyes would glaze over. Like they weren’t comprehending every little thing I used to be attempting to show them. And I acknowledged this needs to be an expertise. And so over time, I created a program that I’d take individuals by, a three-month detox program that’s an experiential course of. Then they may have their very own epiphany, their very own awakening, come to their very own conclusions. They didn’t want me to inform them. They wanted to determine it out.
And I have a look at it like bumpers in a bowling lane, you already know, like bumper bowling. So I put this system in place with the bumpers and I’d allow them to bump up in opposition to the bumpers in order that they may work out what was proper for them. Nicely, now that I’m instructing youngsters, which actually was divine intervention, it’s actually the identical idea. I put collectively a program the place they bump up in opposition to the bumpers, the place we get within the kitchen and we expertise, and I ask them questions. And the one purpose I’m nonetheless instructing this program is due to the questions that they ask me. They’ve confirmed to me simply how clever they’re, how deep pondering they’re. They’ve confirmed to me that they’ve management potential. And due to the questions that they ask me, I proceed to show this program.
Katie: I like that. And I like that you just heart it within the kitchen as a result of I believe with my background in well being and diet as effectively, I believe that is also a foundational ability and that many individuals make it to maturity with out figuring out how one can prepare dinner even. And I believe that like every schooling and experiences to your level that we may give them at an early age, that additionally helps nurture how autonomous they really feel and the way ready and succesful they really feel, which I believe that ability interprets into each space of life as effectively.
And I bear in mind early on realizing with my youngsters too is that I began with the primary precept that after they had been able to doing one thing for them, I used to be not going to do it for them as a result of I felt like that was an insult to their potential, to their functionality, and that was undermining their potential to develop inside that realm. And so I’ve held on to that as my youngsters have reached all these varied ages. And positively there’s lots of letting go on the mother facet for that. And it’s wonderful how briskly they develop up.
However I’d love some examples of the way you do that with the children, particularly like what are a few of these higher questions that they’ve requested you? What are a number of the methods you construct that in for them? And what are some ways in which households listening can begin to take that method in their very own houses to begin to give their youngsters the identical expertise?
Lisa: Yeah, effectively, first I’d like to say that this can be a judgment-free zone. I didn’t educate my youngsters how one can prepare dinner, and I figured that out when my daughter went off to varsity. And so anybody who comes into my program, I at all times begin with this, this can be a judgment-free zone. And you can see that my kitchen is infused with love. and I’ve, I maintain a really secure area energetically in order that these coming into that area with me can be taught and develop and experiment. We have to experiment. We now have to strive various things. It’s the one means that we be taught and we develop. So there’s no such factor as failure and there’s no such factor as good.
So I inform the children, I even document cooking movies, Katie, the place I’ve made a mistake within the recipe and I maintain it within the video and I say, oh, look, you guys, I made a mistake, however my streusel nonetheless turned out. And the way about we make it a second time? And I say, you already know, I would resolve this time to make use of half the quantity of sugar. And so I’m displaying them how one can experiment. Now, in each class are choices. I speak to them about you can use this, or you can use this, or you can use this. And what the children have stated to me, I’ve had highschool college students which have come to me and stated, that is the very best class I’ve ever taken. Since you don’t simply give us issues to memorize. You present us all of our choices, and also you inform us to search out what’s greatest for us. Nobody has ever performed that. Which that’s exceptional to me. I wasn’t educated as a trainer, and but I’ve households and college students coming to me saying that they’ve gleaned extra or gained extra from this class. These varieties of feedback, after which the questions that I get, I’ll have a pupil that can cease at a station. Each class is just a little totally different, how I set it up, and have a look at me, I can inform the wheels are turning, and I’m like, what’s your query? What are you pondering?
And so I simply pull their questions out of them in the event that they don’t blurt them out. They usually say… Nicely, if making jell-o is that this simple, why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? And I say, oh my gosh, that’s such an excellent query. Why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? So everybody go ask your households who is aware of how one can make jell-o and educate them as a result of I believe we forgot. And the meals firms would really like us to suppose that it’s arduous and that they should do it for us. Um, we made lemon meringue pie and I teased the children. We bought performed making our pies and I stated, Oh my gosh, we forgot the yellow meals dye. They usually all appeared round, checked out their recipe they usually’re like, I adopted the recipe after which they checked out their pies and it clicked. They usually stated, “Miss Lisa, our pie is yellow”. I do know! So why would they ever put meals dye, yellow meals dye, in one thing that’s yellow? I imply, I’ve had 9 12 months olds which have stated to me, I’m by no means consuming chemical compounds or meals dyes once more, and I’m going to inform all my associates to not. And actually made the connection that if all of them cease consuming meals dyes, the businesses gained’t use meals dyes.
These youngsters, these are issues they carry up. These are realizations they’ve. So I convey lots of little enjoyable experiences into class and I simply make it enjoyable and humorous. I imply, as a result of… I’m fairly offended about our meals provide. I’m fairly offended about the place issues are, Katie, but when we are able to’t make… I don’t need to say like make enjoyable of it or make gentle of it. I simply don’t know how one can get by to the children another means than to have some satire.
Katie: Nicely, and I believe you touched on one thing so essential. And I’ve talked just a little bit about this too, however I’m excited to go deeper on the mindset part of this as a result of I, such as you notice the worth of experimentation and schooling and the way succesful youngsters are from usually a lot youthful than we consider understanding these items and truly making these choices themselves. And so individuals, after they ask, you already know, how do you retain your youngsters from consuming regardless of the meals is or maintain them from eager to do these issues? My reply is normally that I really don’t. I imagine in schooling and really open conversations and having them perceive and have the instruments to know from a younger age how the inputs they put of their mouth impacts their physique.
However I additionally don’t need to diminish their autonomy and making selections round that as a result of I imagine that if they’re given the appropriate instruments, they may make good selections more often than not. And so I would like, and to your level with experimentation, I additionally need them to have the liberty to make selections that I wouldn’t have made for them generally and really feel the outcomes of these selections. So in the event that they’re not in my home, I’m not controlling what they eat. And I discover that particularly as they grow old, they virtually at all times make good selections as a result of they’re allowed to make the alternatives they usually really feel the possession of that. Whereas if we externally management that for them, they by no means get to step into the precise possession and the understanding. And such as you speak concerning the experimentation, and I like that you just say there’s no failure and there’s no good. I believe reframing that alone and taking away that side of failure lets them really feel a lot safer in experimentation. And I’d guess your lessons additionally really feel so enjoyable due to that, as a result of it’s an experiment, it’s an journey, it’s not this inflexible container that they’re dwelling in.
Lisa: Yeah, yeah, we do lots of experimentation even in school and we now have errors in school, proper? We now have eggs on the ground, we now have an excessive amount of salt, we now have… My class really is a judgment-free zone, and the children know there’s nothing that they’ll try this’s incorrect. And virtually at all times the meals continues to be edible.
Katie: Yeah, I like that. I believe from a father or mother’s perspective, it may be arduous generally, particularly at these younger ages when they’re so curious and truly a lot need to do these issues. It may be arduous handy over the reins and allow them to have these experiences. I like not labeling them as failures, however I do know it may be irritating for folks when the eggs fall on the ground or when components get wasted. However I additionally really feel like these are such investments as a result of they pay dividends as the children grow old, initially, of their mindset and the way they really feel about their potential to do issues and to sort out challenges and to strive new issues.
But in addition having seen that play out with my youngsters, the truth that my youngsters made their very own kitchen system and now handle the kitchen totally virtually on their very own, they usually prepare dinner most meals as a result of they get pleasure from it. And my son will watch YouTube movies and work out how one can do reductions and the way to verify the wine has cooked off however that it prompts the flavour profile and all these items. And I used to be like, I wasn’t doing that at 15, however they’ve this experimentation they usually find it irresistible. And the outcome for me is that now I don’t should prepare dinner dinner most days as a result of my youngsters need to do it. I’m not forcing them to do it.
Lisa: Sure. Yeah, I inform individuals I’ve eight and 9 12 months olds that prepare dinner dinner for his or her households. And I’ve had dad and mom come to me and say, we thought we thought she was a choosy eater, however now we notice we’re in all probability the choosy eaters as a result of she’ll eat something and she or he desires to make every little thing she’s realized in your class. And so I do present like a grocery listing for the dad and mom and I present video, all of my lessons are prerecorded each faculty 12 months. So I present video classes after which additionally video messages to the dad and mom to maintain them on the identical web page as a result of I already know their youngsters are going to need the more healthy choices. So I share with the dad and mom all of the components we use as a result of I say they be taught in my kitchen however they stay in yours.
Katie: I like that. Are there any ideas for organising the sort of surroundings in a house? These programs are movies, so households can combine them. Are there any ideas for organising the kitchen surroundings to be extra kid-friendly or organising the power and the mindset across the kitchen that makes youngsters really feel extra included and capable of step into that?
Lisa: I at all times encourage dad and mom to have some utensils, their very own cookbook, allow them to really feel like they’ve their very own area within the kitchen, perhaps a drawer with their utensils. However greater than that, it’s simply actually the mindset. And once more, being fully clear, I didn’t have endurance when my youngsters had been younger. And so it was troublesome for me. I didn’t need them within the kitchen with me. I hardly ever cooked anyhow due to my profession.
So I believe it’s higher to have another person educate them. I inform households on a regular basis, when you don’t have the endurance for it, no worries. Ship them to my class as a result of at this level in my life, I do have the endurance for this. And it looks as if after they be taught from another person, perhaps simply in my case, as a result of I didn’t have lots of endurance when my youngsters had been younger. However after they be taught from another person, it turns into extra their thought and also you don’t have the parent-child, you already know, combativeness, they go dwelling they usually inform the dad and mom like, I need to use coconut sugar as a result of it’s half the glycemic index. After which the dad and mom are calling me saying, okay, the place do I discover coconut sugar, when it’s the child’s thought, when it’s the kid’s thought. I believe the very best factor we are able to do is simply give them area and help.
Katie: Yeah, I like that. And I believe there’s additionally like the sensible facet as effectively. Like my kitchen has modified rather a lot over time from the years once I solely had toddlers and I used to be doing all the cooking to now the higher cupboards get used very hardly ever and the decrease cupboards are filled with stuff as a result of I would like every little thing to be reachable for them.
And I additionally realized like, I wished to not child proof, however make sure that every little thing was accessible to them. So I attempted to make every little thing as sturdy as potential, decrease glass after they’re youthful in order that they don’t have these experiences of creating a real human mistake of dropping one thing after which feeling dangerous about it. I wished them to have the ability to work together totally with the kitchen as a lot as potential.
I additionally suppose you’re proper. You touched on one thing actually essential, which is that whereas dad and mom would be the first and most essential lecturers of their youngsters, we’re definitely not the one lecturers. And sometimes, particularly at totally different ages, they’ll hear one thing higher from different individuals, particularly people who find themselves very passionate and have lots of experience in a specific space. And so I believe that is one which I believe you’ve gotten a really worthwhile useful resource for due to that. And I’m noticing this with my youngsters at varied ages, even my youngsters realizing, I believe they do nonetheless really hear and concentrate, however they’re at an age the place additionally they pay extra consideration to their coaches or to different individuals they work together with. And I’m tremendous grateful that I’ve this wonderful community of those secure adults who assist be nice influences for them. And I believe anytime we are able to herald somebody who’s one other nice perspective, that’s simply an asset to our children.
Lisa: Yeah, I bear in mind my youngsters coming dwelling and telling me every little thing their associates’ dad and mom stated and placing far more inventory into what their associates’ dad and mom stated. And likewise, these dad and mom would say that their youngsters held on each phrase I stated. So there’s one thing about that age the place they’re on the lookout for validation outdoors of their dad and mom. They should hear it once more from another person they usually’re actually on the lookout for their very own independence.
So that they’re on the lookout for some sort of validation and steering in order that they’ll grow to be impartial from their dad and mom. So I at all times say, your youngster won’t ever come dwelling from my class as making you incorrect. Let me be the opposite mother. What greater than possible will occur is that they’ll come dwelling they usually’ll validate one thing you’ve informed them earlier than.
Katie: Completely. I believe that’s actually such a worthwhile perspective. What ages do you discover individuals at? Which ages of children usually take your lessons and do you’ve gotten lessons for all types of various ages, together with like extra superior ones for older youngsters?
Lisa: Yeah, I educate ages 6 to 18. I begin them in my kitchen in first grade. I’ve lots of requests for 4 and five-year-olds. So I get the DK and the Ok requests. It’s just a little difficult in my bodily kitchen as a result of most of my DKers or kindergartners want step stools and wish much more supervision in relation to sharp objects and warmth. So I ask for them to not come to my kitchen till age six, however I do provide my at dwelling videotaped programs for households to begin youthful than that.
And I do have a highschool management program that’s along with the cooking program the place we’re really speaking concerning the supply of our meals. So it’s actually an issue answer class the place we’re speaking concerning the issues within the meals provide and within the ecosystem. Every little thing from meals dyes or issues which might be performed in manufacturing all the best way again even to the supply of our meals and the chemical compounds which might be sprayed on our soil killing the microbes and what’s killing the bees. And since Katie, I’ve discovered that by this class the children are able to pondering larger and I’m able to go deeper not solely with the questioning and the thought upsetting classes however having them take part within the options.
Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s so genius and that it roots it in one thing very relevant to them a number of occasions per day. That’s such an integral a part of their expertise as youngsters in consuming, but additionally, such as you stated, it connects to the broader world round them, which they’re wired to be so interested by. And I believe that’s actually the proper time as a result of such as you, I really feel like we have to increase innovators and answer makers and that’s going to be, and for this reason I’m so grateful to get to speak to mothers as a result of I believe mothers are such a power of nature. And we not simply have buying energy, regardless that we’re, after all, the most important buying energy, however we’re straight concerned with the subsequent technology, which provides us a very distinctive potential to assist hopefully create options for the long run by serving to our children grow to be answer makers for the long run.
And I believe it’s so good the best way you do that with a meals first method, as a result of that’s so relevant to youngsters at all ages, each child has to eat. And when you can tie in these essential issues to one thing they’re already experiencing and already doing and use it as a option to springboard them into understanding the broader world in a extra intricate means, I believe that’s going to pay dividends not simply in households, after all, there too, however in society as a complete as these youngsters grow old.
Lisa: Sure, and that’s actually my objective. You realize, you introduced up a degree early on that your profession didn’t exist. You realize, 20, 30 years in the past. And I’ll say, I do know I’m older than you, however 40, 50 years in the past, well being teaching didn’t exist. I had no intention of changing into a well being coach. All of my levels are in enterprise and administration. As a matter of truth, I used to be very specialised in expertise and administration. And I wished to enhance the world, I believed.
I really feel like I’m bettering the world extra now as a well being coach than I did in all these years in expertise. Now, some individuals would possibly beg to vary as a result of they like that blue button of their automobile they usually can name OnStar. However in lots of ways in which’s not likely contributing to the evolution of our planet, of our species. And lots of issues have modified in my lifetime and they’re going to proceed to vary in our children’ lifetime.
And one of many issues that I’ve been imploring lots of dad and mom to consider is that STEM lessons might not be the only option, after they can not compete with a pc. We actually want to have interaction. So lots of STEM lessons are very heavy on the left mind, analytical, logical thoughts. The best way we innovate is to make use of our proper mind, not our left mind. And our faculty system is ready as much as be very left mind analytical. Which is why I didn’t perceive as they began lowering and eradicating the humanities, why so many individuals had been upset with that, which I perceive now we want entry to the appropriate mind.
Cooking is a stupendous expertise that’s entire mind integrative. So we use proper mind and left mind. So once I discuss having braveness, confidence and creativity, I’m transferring them on a continuum from one thing that’s logical, left mind, that’s what they’re used to, learn this course of and comply with it. After which I take them on a journey to creativity. Now, what else may we do with this? What if we lose all of the bees? Will we now have this meals? So we’re on a journey to create one thing new.
So I begin them within the left mind and take them over to the appropriate mind. And we actually want entire mind actions for our children. And I’d even say we in all probability want much more proper mind actions than we want left mind. They’re getting loads of left mind actions. They’re not going to have the ability to write code higher than synthetic intelligence. So we’re going to should innovate. Their future will look totally different than what we are able to predict. The very best factor we are able to do is give them the instruments to be wholesome, to be versatile, after which get out of their means, in order that they’ll create one thing new, one thing that we are able to’t envision.
Katie: That’s such an excellent level. And I believe that touches on one of many huge conversations taking place in society proper now’s as AI is changing into a lot extra outstanding, how is that going to vary all of our lives? And to your level, we will be unable to compete with computer systems on the issues computer systems are designed to do higher and that don’t have the slowdowns that human brains have. And I, such as you, have shared that concern of them taking lots of these proper mind issues out of faculties.
So for folks listening, realizing the restrictions if their youngsters are in colleges. Clearly, cooking is a big first step and I like that you just clarify that as a complete mind exercise. What are another methods we are able to create alternatives for extra of that creativity and that proper mind exercise in our houses, in our children’ lives? Another recommendations for a way we may help them with that?
Lisa: Yeah. You realize, I’m going to say a number of the apparent issues that you just’ve in all probability informed your viewers. Much less display time, much less, much less video games. We now have to get out and we now have to attach with nature, however we have to be having dialog. It’s by dialog in my cooking lessons. I at all times say there’s a profit to taking my videotaped lessons at dwelling as a result of the children get to prepare dinner in their very own kitchen from starting to finish. However there’s a profit to being within the kitchen with me. And lots of that comes all the way down to dialog and group.
We’d like dialog and group as a result of that’s the place they hear the questions of the opposite college students. That’s the place they’ll ask questions, the place they’ll discover. And we have to try this in additional areas, not simply cooking. There are many areas the place we are able to become involved. I believe the children can get out and truly do internships. So I’m bringing in a beekeeper who’s in his 20s who has stated that he would love to assist my college students find out about beekeeping. The extra experiential processes that they’ll do. Phrases don’t educate, experiences do. It’s the experiential processes that can provoke extra questions and extra exploration.
Katie: I like that you just’re bringing in a beekeeper. I’ve been a beekeeper since I used to be in all probability 13. And that’s one other space I believe we’re clearly dealing with some difficulties with our bee inhabitants on this planet. And so I believe the extra youngsters we now have concerned in understanding that, and I believe youngsters additionally naturally have a tendency to like studying about and interacting with bees. So I like that you just’re bringing that in as effectively.
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You made me additionally consider in our household, we solely have a few line objects within the price range which might be primarily limitless. And that’s if they need books, I’m at all times glad to purchase them books, something they need to find out about, but additionally any sort of artistic experimentation. I at all times attempt to help that in my youngsters as a lot as potential, whether or not it’s they need to learn to sew, whether or not it’s they need to learn to velocity clear up a Rubik’s Dice, or they need to be taught some new ability, or they need to construct one thing. I at all times attempt to give them the instruments to do this each time potential as a result of I bear in mind how a lot I realized and the way once I look again alone childhood, I definitely don’t bear in mind my greatest day of taking assessments in class, however I definitely bear in mind my greatest day of studying how one can do stained glass, for example, or studying how one can sew for the primary time or studying beekeeping. Like I bear in mind these issues so vividly and I can see now how they’ve formed different areas of my life with the abilities that crossed over, not even the direct experiences, however how a lot that’s rippled by.
So I like that you just’re even in your cooking lessons bringing in different disciplines as effectively so youngsters get that publicity and that have. And I believe perhaps in these moments, that’s additionally is likely to be these occasions after they discover the factor they’re obsessed with or that they love.
And I additionally actually imagine that youngsters are pure sample makers. I bought recommendation from a good friend years in the past that each morning the children watched three TED talks on unrelated matters as a result of he stated youngsters are such pure sample makers. And when you give them publicity to issues that aren’t usually associated, their brains will discover and create patterns and join dots. And I believe that’s additionally a giant step into that innovation and downside fixing important pondering adults that we want on this planet. And so when you give them issues that aren’t thought of associated already, they may discover sample that different individuals aren’t taking a look at they usually would possibly discover a distinctive option to apply one thing they find out about robotics, perhaps to the issue of plastic within the ocean or no matter it might be. However they simply are so naturally wired for that at younger ages. And so I like that you just’re giving much more instruments that folks can use to assist in giving these youngsters these experiences.
Lisa: Sure, oh my gosh, I like that remark. It was a pure extension for me to go from instructing them how one can make a cake with honey, to speak about what components on this cake required us to have bees. As a result of most of them say honey, however we wanted the bees for the oranges, the almond flour, the pistachios. We wanted pollinators for extra than simply the honey. And so we are able to then have that larger dialog.
And so in my lessons, particularly with my older youngsters, we’re actually speaking concerning the concern round local weather change as a substitute of being empowered to really make a change. The place there’s lots of concern and concern retains us in survival mode. And so my objective is to actually empower these youngsters to really feel empowered, however secure and like a contributor and their concepts matter as a result of every little thing appears to be minimized. You realize, we hear that this downside is way larger than any of us can tackle, however but the children may select of their technology to do away with lawns and to plant clover to feed the pollinators. The most important killer of the bees is garden. All of us have a garden. You realize, I go searching, I’ve lived in my home 30 years and I’ve planted lots of bushes, none of them fruit bearing. Not till simply final 12 months we planted raspberries and I simply planted edible bushes and a pair timber at my son and my daughter’s homes. However why did we plant non-edible, inedible landscaping? These are issues that our children can change and nature is plentiful. And we’ve been made to imagine it’s so scarce.
And so we’re addressing all of that in my lessons, like, oh, these are so plentiful. Are you able to develop these in your state? You realize, I do know we are able to develop these in our state. And so I herald lots of classes about what does it take to develop a pear tree? Do you need to have a cross pollinator? Do you need to have two? How lengthy earlier than it bears fruit? So we’re speaking about that as we’re making pear galettes. As a result of that’s what solves the larger downside and that’s what units them free. And my message at Freedom Kitchen is basically that they’ll set themselves free. I spotted that there was lots of management, corporatocracy. I come out of company so I may see it firsthand. There was lots of management and we forgot. And possibly not you since you’ve performed so good homeschooling and also you’ve taught your youngsters to be impartial. However I believe nearly all of our society has grow to be codependent and never impartial. So my objective is to create impartial youngsters and subsequent technology.
Katie: Do you’ve gotten any recommendations for perhaps making that shift in mindset of parenting at totally different ages? As a result of I do know as my youngsters have grown, I’ve definitely grown up with them and realized at every stage. And I can look again so many occasions and suppose, oh, I want I had identified that after they had been this age. Nevertheless it’s all been a studying journey.
However for individuals who perhaps have older youngsters and are perhaps recognizing a few of these indicators, are there issues we are able to do and shift even then that can assist our children develop that important pondering and develop these foundational expertise earlier than they attain maturity? Or even when they’re already in maturity and we nonetheless have a relationship with them, issues that we are able to do to assist?
Lisa: Nicely, you’re going to make me cry as a result of my youngsters are of their twenties. And so I believe each father or mother appears to be like again and says, I want I’d have identified. I want I’d have performed this higher or that higher. And so there’s loads of issues that I look again on and need I’d have identified.
And so I actually stay by the phrase from Maya Angelou, after we know higher, we do higher. That’s why I say this can be a judgment-free zone, as a result of we are able to solely do to the flexibility of what we all know. So what we do is we begin the place we’re at right now. You realize the saying, the very best time to plant an oak tree was 30 years in the past and the subsequent greatest time is right now. So we begin the place we’re at.
Attempting to make a large change. Like we had been a household that ate out seven days every week. So attempting to shift, and my youngsters had been in center faculty once I made the shift in our family. I couldn’t try this in a single day. They’d simply insurgent. And at that time they had been already addicted. We had been all hooked on quick meals and junk meals. There’s a nice program for anybody who’s on processed meals dependancy. And the analysis of Joan Ifland, and she or he has a textbook with 2,000 analysis research in it of how we’re completely addicted. And people meals had been created to be addictive. So attempting to vary that in a single day isn’t potential. So that you begin one step at a time and that is in all probability why well being coach there’s so many well being coaches as a result of we coach individuals by altering that.
Nevertheless it actually is a phased method. And I’d simply say, the extra loving you will be with your self and along with your youngsters by that course of, relying on the place you’re at and the way a lot wants to vary, give your self some grace.
Katie: And I believe the wonder there, I’ve heard this from so many households, is that youngsters are a lot extra adaptable too than adults that always when a complete household makes that swap, the children will really adapt quicker and their style buds will change and they’re usually capable of take heed to their our bodies extra rapidly and notice what feels good of their physique, what doesn’t, the issues that their physique wants and doesn’t. And so I believe that circles again to the sooner components of our dialog of after we are capable of give them that autonomy and that possession, they usually swap to creating good choices, I really feel like quicker than adults can as a result of usually, I do know I had that too, I had years of different consuming habits that I needed to un-pattern and getting used to these processed meals that I needed to un-pattern. Whereas youngsters, particularly in the event that they’re capable of be raised that means from the very starting, however even when they aren’t, I really feel like they adapt a lot extra rapidly.
And in addition that crosses over into every little thing else we’re speaking about as effectively in that youngsters adapt in each space of studying, I really feel like a lot extra rapidly. And I’ve realized a lot from my youngsters. Hopefully I’ve additionally taught them rather a lot, however I’ve realized a lot from them. And it’s wonderful to see how succesful they’re of understanding issues and seeing patterns I don’t see and the way rapidly they adapt after they be taught new issues. So I at all times like to provide that as encouragement for folks as a result of I do know it seems like it may be an uphill battle or very, very daunting when you’re making that swap, such as you stated, totally from scratch. And I believe the infant steps method is so smart as a result of it makes it really feel like a way more light journey, but additionally don’t underestimate how rapidly your youngsters could be taught and adapt and take possession for that themselves.
Lisa: Yeah, oh my gosh, so effectively stated. The children have taught me a lot. I like listening to you say that. That was one other, that was a part of my evolution too, as a mother, was realizing how a lot my youngsters may educate me. I wanted to be open to that, so I believe I had some vanity, and I used to be a really younger mother. And so I actually simply wasn’t, I wasn’t observant sufficient till my youngsters had been just a little older as to how a lot they may actually educate me.
However in my youngsters cooking lessons now, I’m simply so amazed. The children educate me continuously. It’s the one purpose I’m nonetheless doing this. It really was divine intervention. I wasn’t trying to do that. I’ve heard others say, like, I knew I wished to work with youngsters. I can’t say that I used to be actually on the lookout for root trigger and my focus is on fixing the meals. And once I was requested to show the children cooking lessons, I used to be so impressed by the depth of their questions, their attentiveness and their need. And even once I misplaced my first location throughout COVID, I misplaced the situation that I had been instructing in and the households requested me, please don’t go. And I stated, effectively, you already know, if it’s time for me to maneuver on, I’ll, I’ll transfer on. They usually stated, please don’t go. We’ll discover a location for you. You should use our homes. They, the children need this schooling, and that’s why I proceed to show it. I do imagine it’s their aggressive benefit. We take into consideration all of the issues to provide our children a aggressive benefit in life. That is it. It begins within the kitchen. Their freedom begins and ends within the kitchen.
Katie: I agree. And I believe that springboards additionally just a little bit into the dialog of the shifting of schooling in a extra broad sense, societally, which is definitely additionally effectively talked about. And I’d like to get your tackle that as a result of I do know I used to be like, you employ the phrases a product of the college system. And I really opted out on the very finish, very near graduating school, I made a decision I not wished to take part in that after which began pursuing the issues I used to be really taken with. Nevertheless it definitely led to a unique method with my youngsters.
So once I was rising up, I didn’t know that school was non-obligatory till I bought there. I believed it was like thirteenth grade, and it was so ingrained that was the objective of childhood was to get into an excellent school. And I’ve taken such a unique method with my youngsters. If something, I’m in all probability actively discouraging school and inspiring entrepreneurship or encouraging exploration and no matter they discover fascinating as a substitute. However I’d love your perspective on that as a result of I believe one factor dad and mom are dealing with is we’re listening to, after all, that the schooling system is altering, that school is altering. We hear of people that have a level and debt, however not a path and who perhaps aren’t haven’t mastered a few of these important pondering parts now whilst adults. So I’d love any perspective you’re prepared to share on that as a result of I believe that is actually relevant and related to lots of dad and mom listening.
Lisa: Nicely, I like that you just requested this query, as a result of I do imagine that important pondering goes to be what units them aside. They’re not going to have the ability to out suppose a pc. Lots of jobs are going to grow to be automated. Now I’ll share with the viewers that I graduated with my diploma in ‘97 in administration and data expertise. And we had been informed that by 2017, every little thing can be automated, that you’d order quick meals at a kiosk. You’d pay for it at a restaurant, at a kiosk. and that there can be robots making the meals.
Now that was both predicted or predictive planning on somebody’s half that every little thing would grow to be automated. And we had been informed it was as a result of the infant boomers can be retiring and that will be the final wave of the infant boomers retiring. Nonetheless, 1999, I labored Y2K. So New 12 months’s Eve, 1999, I bought to spend my night checking all of our techniques for the GM Truck Group. And proper after that, I learn Tom Friedman’s e book, The World is Flat. And we had been going to a worldwide economic system. Now we now have individuals everywhere in the world. I had sturdy circuits to engineers everywhere in the world to verify our techniques. So we already knew that we weren’t depending on the infant boomers. So we had been informed one thing in 1997 that in 1999, I noticed that wasn’t true.
So there’s lots of issues I began placing collectively as a marketing consultant, proper? So when my dad was in school within the 60s, he was informed that the US would grow to be a service-based economic system. And its companies aren’t as worthwhile. So we now have offshored all of {our capability}. All of our merchandise are made in China. We signed NAFTA and despatched lots of our manufacturing to Mexico. And other people aren’t placing two and two collectively right here, that what we’ve left for us right here is much less worthwhile. And we at the moment are depending on these different international locations they usually may change the worth at any time. So it is likely to be 10 cents on the greenback right now and it is likely to be $10 tomorrow. I imply, we’re not answerable for any of that. And we now have left ourselves in a really weak place. We additionally import most of our meals. And the meals that we develop right here is all purchased by the Processed Meals Corporations. So it’s very troublesome to entry like actual meals, all of the grains that we develop, the wheat, the corn, the soy, that’s all purchased by the Processed Meals Corporations. So then you definately’re actually left with nothing greater than processed meals on this nation.
There’s lots of these knowledge factors that I throw out to string collectively as a result of after they go to varsity, they’re going to be educated principally in a service. And what we’re seeing is that isn’t fairing effectively for our economic system if we have a look at our GDP and we have a look at {our capability}. So I’m not essentially in opposition to school, however I’m undecided what the worth, I don’t understand how worthwhile that’s. And so we receives a commission primarily based on our worth. You’re paid primarily based in your worth, not your diploma.
And I’d have this realization when my youngsters had been in highschool that I bear in mind coming dwelling from one more private growth workshop. And I stated, you don’t should go to varsity. As a matter of truth, don’t go. They usually each checked out me like I used to be loopy. They usually’re like, we now have to go to varsity. I’m like, no, you don’t should go to varsity. So I’ve one which did as a result of she wished to be a social employee counselor and she or he has a calling, a large calling. So she went that route.
My different one didn’t go to varsity and truly does very, very effectively doing what he desires to do. And it didn’t require any school. So I actually suppose that important pondering is critical on all of our components proper now. Once I speak to adults, I usually say, I’ll sum it up with this transient story. I had a, once I had my Spa, I had a girl and her daughter each used to return to me as shoppers. And the mom was very sad. And he or she was like counting down her years to retirement, however she was so sad as a result of her daughter didn’t go get a company job. And I stated, why would you like her in a company job? She’s like, effectively, she wants the safety and the advantages. I stated, there’s no such factor anymore. And there’s no pensions anymore. And so that you’re pushing on her an outdated mannequin.
And I requested her someday, I stated, are you cheerful? Since you say you need Alyssa to be glad, however you’re not glad. So we now have to be actually cautious proper now to not push our children in any given route as a result of they’re those who will create the long run. We don’t need them recreating our… existence. It’s outdated. And so it’s actually troublesome as a father or mother, I believe, to step again and say, I’m simply going to provide the instruments that you just want and also you go determine it out.
Katie: Oh, so effectively defined. And I’m very a lot in alignment with you about that. I believe we’re in, such as you’re speaking about, a really distinctive level in historical past when issues are shifting. And it definitely is rather a lot to navigate for folks. However I like issues like your instruments that make that. So it offers youngsters a concrete space of experimentation to be taught that and to hopefully have the arrogance and the autonomy inside that to then switch that into each no matter space of grownup life they select, no matter route they select.
And I’d guess such as you, I might need some that select to go to varsity nonetheless for a really explicit goal, but additionally others which may forge their very own path. And I believe it’s very stunning that we’re dwelling in a time when these are each very viable choices now. And some questions I’m very curious to your solutions on as we get near the tip. The primary being if there’s a e book or variety of books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and in that case, what they’re and why.
Lisa: Oh gosh, so I’m an avid reader, lots of and lots of of non-public growth books. I’d say in all probability Suppose and Develop Wealthy is without doubt one of the first ones that involves thoughts. as a result of it helped me to see, and I additionally did that, the Millionaire Thoughts Seminar, and that’s once I simply realized how conditioned we had been in lots of methods.
Katie: I find it irresistible. I’ll hyperlink to that within the present notes as effectively. The place can individuals discover you and your lessons and let their youngsters profit from this as effectively?
Lisa: So my web site, lisajendza.com, at all times has hyperlinks to every little thing I’ve happening, together with the children website, which is freedomkitchenkids.com. And fall lessons begin in September, each semester is 14 weeks. And I’m stay on Zoom each Wednesday afternoon Jap Time. However I try this in order that I’ve a facet of help no matter the place a baby is or a father or mother. They will hop on Zoom with me each Wednesday.
Katie: Superior. I’ll put hyperlinks to each of these within the present notes for you guys listening on the go. Every little thing might be at wellnessmama.fm together with the books we’ve talked about. And I do know you’ve gotten lots of academic assets obtainable as effectively. I’ll make sure that these are all linked. Any parting recommendation for the dad and mom listening right now that could possibly be associated to one of many matters we’ve talked about already or unrelated recommendation that you just really feel is essential?
Lisa: Yeah, let’s enable the children to unravel the issues. The identical stage of consciousness that created the issues can’t clear up the issues. We now have to convey a unique stage of creativity or power. So I say on a regular basis, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity. So stop on the lookout for issues to be handy and permit them to create. And if I’ve one self-serving motive behind that is that I imagine that our meals provide is in a really dire place and would be the biggest problem that the subsequent technology will face. And I might be too outdated to do something about it at that time. So if I can create leaders now, who’re conscious and who’re a part of the answer, then hopefully I can relaxation simple in my retirement years.
Katie: I like that and I like that quote, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity, that’s such a strong assertion and I like the work you’re doing. I’m so glad we bought an opportunity to attach and I’m excited for my youngsters really to get to take a few of your programs. Thanks a lot to your time right now and for every little thing you’ve shared.
Lisa: Thanks, Katie, it was such an honor.
Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your most precious assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama Podcast.
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